• Bored

    Is it a witch hunt if they actually used banned substances?

    • Sam Genson

      My opinion on this is particularly strong. I think the whole “banned substance” thing is ridiculous.

      • Ryan

        Do you have any idea of the side effects of steroids? If you don’t ban them, there will still be players that don’t want to risk destroying their bodies and won’t take them. The people that will then have an unfair advantage. You are, in essence, forcing players to take them to be able to complete. I really enjoy this blog, but this article is peddling some nonsense. This entire article just comes off as whiny that one of our players got caught.

        • Sam Genson

          I am not whining that one of our players got caught. I thought i stated that the Rangers were the ones who really got the short end of the stick here. I feel bad for all of the fans of all of the teams though.

          And yes, I am well aware of the side effects.

          • Ryan

            You didn’t address my point that allowing them essentially would force many players to take them who would rather not. And then the MLB would have another mess on their hands…the health of retired players. Does this sound like some other league we know with their giant issue of head injuries?

          • Sam Genson

            I believe that your argument is false. Even in the heyday of steroid use, not everyone was using. Many players still had very good careers and put up very good numbers (perhaps they were using, but have never been linked in all of the many stories that have come out). Do you think that players in other sports leagues use pharmacological advantages? If so, do you then think that EVERYONE in those leagues does?

          • Ryan

            How does that do anything to disprove my point? Because you have to beat tests, fewer will use in any sports league. You’re not considering the impact of legalizing. Yes, they were looking the other way on steroids, but were they legal? If you legalize them and essentially encourage use, you’re most likely going to get a lot more players using them. To be an elite player, you’ll have to use. There will be fewer good players who are clean, mainly because to be good, you’d have to use. Thus, you can’t use the steroid era for comparison; it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You sample in a world where they are legal will include a larger number of users than the steroid era. You can’t say that because many clean players still put up good numbers during the steroid era that just as many will if you legalize them. As many clean players probably won’t. You’re now asking players to take on a great deal of health risk to be able to compete. They won’t be able to if they don’t; not as many, anyways.

          • Sam Genson

            I’m not sure I ever said that they should be “legal”. If the players broke a criminal law, they should be punished criminally. I also stated that I felt that if any policing should be done, it should be done by the MLBPA, not MLB (beginning of the 9th paragraph).

            We are kind of going round and round on this though. Its not that i think “hey, everyone, take these roids” its just that I think this whole thing by the MLB is a farce. I also think that purported steroid usage coincided with a very exciting time in baseball. That doesn’t mean I am encouraging the use of pharmaceuticals.

          • Ryan

            I completely agree that it’s a farce. They only care about money, and they’re doing this now because they want to protect their profits. They’d sacrifice babies on the field before games if it made them money and they could get away with it. That being said…maybe we’re not as far apart as I thought…I just don’t think PEDs should have ever and should never be a part of the game.

      • Bored

        It’s not ridiculous if they are getting an unfair competitive advantage by using the substances. The solution would be to require every player use steroids so everyone is playing on an even playing field. As someone who has taken medically-prescribed steroids in the past, I can tell you from personal experience that using steroids makes my middle-aged body feel a good 20-years younger. God only knows what would happen if I used a weight-training regimen on top of merely using the pills. I’d probably look like Ah-nuld within 6 months or so.

  • Thumbody

    Was this silly, amateurish article written by a teenager?

    • Sam Genson

      Nope, I am 33.

  • Ryan

    Wow. Your article is ridiculous, sir. I agree about all the hyprocrisy with Selig and the MLB, but PEDs have no place in sports. Some people don’t want to take on the risks associated with them, so they should be punished essentially, since they won’t be able to perform at the same levels of those who do? What about the high schoolers who watch and see stars taking PEDs? I don’t disagree with several points you made, however, your main point is dumb. Did you seriously just compare LASIK to steroids!? You can’t try and use those things as arguments, and then call them non-sensical. If they’re non-sensical, as they are, they’re not helping your argument. You’re coming off as a homer, because I seriously doubt you’d have written this if a Tiger weren’t involved. Yes, the league and the commish are hypocritical and have purveyed a double-standard. Does that change the fact that Jhonny took PEDs fully aware of the consequences should he be caught? No. He did it, and he knew what could happen. To say otherwise is to not take responsibility for one’s actions.

    • Sam Genson

      I was planning to write something about this well before Peralta was targeted. This just spurred me on.

      These pharmaceuticals are not guaranteed to aid in production either – see Peralta’s 2012.

      If a high school athlete chooses that route, so be it. If some breaks the law by taking pharmaceuticals, then they should be punished in a criminal fashion. As I stated, this “setting an example argument’ is shallow as they have not banned chewing tobacco and that has been linked to numerous health hazards.

      Thank you for taking the time to comment on my article.

      • Ryan

        No problem. I may not agree with you, but I enjoy the blog. Keep up the good work. Go Tigs!

      • Sam Genson

        following up on my own comment, I think A LOT of players use a lot of different ways to gain a competitive advantage – and that includes LASIK and other surgeries. Those surgeries do carry risks, just as pharmaceutical usage does.

        Additionally, one of the reported advantages to steroids (at least back in the late 90s/early 00′s was improved eyesight and visual acuity. So the jump to LASIK isn’t quite as illogical as some may initially think.

  • Paul

    The cheaters are cheaters and they should be dealt with harshly. But also, King Bud is only doing this because it’s popular and headline-grabbing. It’s overreach, it’s dictatorial, and it’s inconsistent. As much dislike as I harbor for A-Rod, he’s getting more than he deserves in relation to the others: the punishment may fit the crime, but it’s inconsistent. And any MLBPA that will not allow clubs to put nullification clauses into contracts is a part of the problem- not the solution (for all of their ‘praise’ for being cooperative in the so-called cleaning up of the game). I have some issue with the lack of a positive test, but on the other hand, for every drug they are able to test for, the chemists will be out ahead of the curve. The drugs need to exist, and the testers need to know about them, before they can be tested for, so there will always be some risk of the he-said ‘witch-hunt’, and the players who cheat (and they will…) always will know that the possibility exists. Take the risk with the reward… I love Jhonny Peralta and I hate Alex Rodriguez, but they both knew going in that there was a chance they’d get caught, so it’s their bed.

    • cestma

      From the little I’ve heard, I also love the way Peralta handled it. Nothing but “no comment” till the end, then approximately ‘sincere apology, I take total responsibility, etc.’ No weasel words, pity plays, or public circus.
      Hope he lands on his feet somewhere next year.

  • Andy Evans

    Sam – I agree that MLB certainly “looked the other way” while the steroid users demolished the record books. Chicks do indeed dig the home run – and who doesn’t ? But I also recall that MLBPA fought against drug testing for years … not that they had to fight very hard.

    I do recognize that our whole modern society is built around bandaid, political, or compromise “after the fact” solutions – that often fail to address the true core of the original problem. I am certainly glad that finally some measures were put into place against steroid use (after Congress started to look into it). But doing so thus opened Pandora’s Box – once you regulate one “illicit substance”, then you look like an even larger hypocrite if you then let other newly created PED’s take hold, or various “doping” techniques, etc …

    Is is unfortunate that these suspensions could effect the outcome of various pennant races? Definitely. But I imagine suspending eight members of the 1920 White Sox put a damper on their season too, so we’ve been here before. Gambling has little to do with PED’s, but both have affected the stature/image of the game – and the outcomes of games.

    Even if there was yet another chance to “profit” from the use of PED’s, MLB can’t possibly go back now – they rely heavily on their antitrust exemption granted by the U.S. Congress, and would have a hard time justifying the use of some “cool” drugs/hormones versus some “uncool” drugs/hormones. May as well swallow the crap sandwich of “tough love” now – message delivered for the rest of MLB, to be sure.

  • Joe

    I strongly disagree that PED use is no big deal, as the article seems to imply. It IS a big deal and such conduct should not be allowed. However, I agree that the Biogenesis “scandal” was more of a sham on MLB’s part. To suspend players who never tested positive and were never witnessed to have possessed, purchased or attempted to purchase or acquire PED is wrong and sets a bad precedent for future treatment of players. In particular, to threaten even stiffer penalties just for appealing is outrageous, as it creates a punishment simply for appealing. HELLO! What if a player actually didn’t do it?

  • Smitty

    Come on Sam Man, we’re in the heart of the playoffs & no recent articles on the Tigers!

    • Sam Genson

      I have been working on different subject matter on my own site – I DO have something to write about regarding the Tigers. Hopefully I can post it today.

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